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		<title>By: G</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencepunk.com/2008/02/champneys-detox-pad-dissection/comment-page-2/#comment-45582</link>
		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Acupuncture--

I&#039;ve read a few interesting reports &amp; studies on acupuncture.  The stuff about the &quot;meridians&quot; doesn&#039;t make sense at all... but that&#039;s more the way the ancient Chinese describe it without knowing what it was actually doing.

IAs I understand it, although this is not at all my field,: In essence, the people who developed acupuncture mapped out...by trial and error, would hate to be the trial subjects...all of the nerve bundles close to the skin.  Nerves originate at the spinal cord, and nerve pathways go through the body to their final destination.  When you manipulate the nerve, you interfere with the (electric) nerve signal being passed from the nerve to the brain.

This is harnessed in traditional medicine via things like TENS units.  Acupunture for pain uses needles with electrostimulation units.  

I&#039;ve also been though a traditional medicine procedure very much like acupuncture, only MUCH more painful, called &quot;trigger point injections.&quot; 

It was years ago when I read this, so I don&#039;t know where I found the specific paper that laid it out so clearly (and had diagrams showing how acupuncture points related to known nerve pathways, and so on).  I don&#039;t rmember what it was called.  I&#039;m sure if people look they can find it.  Also if you look now, you can find a number of research papers like this:
http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/abstract/136/5/374

The way acupuncture is described by practitioners makes it sound entirely hokey and ridiculous.  What they&#039;re *doing*, however, is much more effective than the terminology makes it sound.  It&#039;s just still taught that way.  

I suspect in the near future people will start teaching acupuncture more straightforwardly, so they say things more like, &quot;If I stick a needle HERE, it&#039;ll interfere with the nerves that lead to the painful area THERE and help relieve the pain&quot; or some such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Acupuncture&#8211;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read a few interesting reports &amp; studies on acupuncture.  The stuff about the &#8220;meridians&#8221; doesn&#8217;t make sense at all&#8230; but that&#8217;s more the way the ancient Chinese describe it without knowing what it was actually doing.</p>
<p>IAs I understand it, although this is not at all my field,: In essence, the people who developed acupuncture mapped out&#8230;by trial and error, would hate to be the trial subjects&#8230;all of the nerve bundles close to the skin.  Nerves originate at the spinal cord, and nerve pathways go through the body to their final destination.  When you manipulate the nerve, you interfere with the (electric) nerve signal being passed from the nerve to the brain.</p>
<p>This is harnessed in traditional medicine via things like TENS units.  Acupunture for pain uses needles with electrostimulation units.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also been though a traditional medicine procedure very much like acupuncture, only MUCH more painful, called &#8220;trigger point injections.&#8221; </p>
<p>It was years ago when I read this, so I don&#8217;t know where I found the specific paper that laid it out so clearly (and had diagrams showing how acupuncture points related to known nerve pathways, and so on).  I don&#8217;t rmember what it was called.  I&#8217;m sure if people look they can find it.  Also if you look now, you can find a number of research papers like this:<br />
<a href="http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/abstract/136/5/374" rel="nofollow">http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/abstract/136/5/374</a></p>
<p>The way acupuncture is described by practitioners makes it sound entirely hokey and ridiculous.  What they&#8217;re *doing*, however, is much more effective than the terminology makes it sound.  It&#8217;s just still taught that way.  </p>
<p>I suspect in the near future people will start teaching acupuncture more straightforwardly, so they say things more like, &#8220;If I stick a needle HERE, it&#8217;ll interfere with the nerves that lead to the painful area THERE and help relieve the pain&#8221; or some such.</p>
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		<title>By: mikalingelovi</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencepunk.com/2008/02/champneys-detox-pad-dissection/comment-page-2/#comment-39308</link>
		<dc:creator>mikalingelovi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>добрый день сделано всё чётко,жалко что немое, есть правда одно но, маловато контента &lt;a href=&quot;http://openlab.ch/references/Images/eng-123/images/liponisan/15.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Порно- видео просмотреть&lt;/a&gt;  молодые пацаны http://jmt.by.ru/qml/badblockday/molodye-pacany=6=topic.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>добрый день сделано всё чётко,жалко что немое, есть правда одно но, маловато контента <a href="http://openlab.ch/references/Images/eng-123/images/liponisan/15.html" rel="nofollow">Порно- видео просмотреть</a>  молодые пацаны <a href="http://jmt.by.ru/qml/badblockday/molodye-pacany=6=topic.html" rel="nofollow">http://jmt.by.ru/qml/badblockday/molodye-pacany=6=topic.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Detox foot pads - Science Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Detox foot pads - Science Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 00:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Sponsor    5,868 posts    According to this experiment, it looks like there&#039;s no need to do mine.  SciencePunk Champneys Detox Pad - Dissection  ---------------- Hypography Science Forums Moderator  --- &quot;There are no passengers on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  Sponsor    5,868 posts    According to this experiment, it looks like there&#8217;s no need to do mine.  SciencePunk Champneys Detox Pad &#8211; Dissection  &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;- Hypography Science Forums Moderator  &#8212; &quot;There are no passengers on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencepunk.com/2008/02/champneys-detox-pad-dissection/comment-page-2/#comment-33385</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seriously lol&#039;ed @Hizzoner&#039;s comment, I don&#039;t know if he was kidding or not, but that is called blind faith which isn&#039;t always a bad thing. Just don&#039;t spend too much money on something you haven&#039;t researched extensively, especially if you are going to keep re-buying it, that could just prove to be an expensive mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seriously lol&#8217;ed @Hizzoner&#8217;s comment, I don&#8217;t know if he was kidding or not, but that is called blind faith which isn&#8217;t always a bad thing. Just don&#8217;t spend too much money on something you haven&#8217;t researched extensively, especially if you are going to keep re-buying it, that could just prove to be an expensive mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: reef</title>
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		<dc:creator>reef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ all the punk haters:&lt;/b&gt;
OK, so the experiment above is not the strictest I&#039;ve ever seen, however one could hardly claim Champney&#039;s was either. Although young Tara doesn&#039;t appear to be selling any products on the back of hers...

&lt;b&gt;@ the pad whitens punks:&lt;/b&gt;
Have you considered that the pad itself may be having an effect on your foot (e.g. pickling), making it sweat less? Try one on your other foot and see whether the cycle starts over.

As a side (well end technically) note: litmus paper turns red in acidic conditions, these pads turn black/brown in moist conditions, can anyone see where I&#039;m going here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@ all the punk haters:</b><br />
OK, so the experiment above is not the strictest I&#8217;ve ever seen, however one could hardly claim Champney&#8217;s was either. Although young Tara doesn&#8217;t appear to be selling any products on the back of hers&#8230;</p>
<p><b>@ the pad whitens punks:</b><br />
Have you considered that the pad itself may be having an effect on your foot (e.g. pickling), making it sweat less? Try one on your other foot and see whether the cycle starts over.</p>
<p>As a side (well end technically) note: litmus paper turns red in acidic conditions, these pads turn black/brown in moist conditions, can anyone see where I&#8217;m going here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tallahasseelassie</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencepunk.com/2008/02/champneys-detox-pad-dissection/comment-page-2/#comment-28029</link>
		<dc:creator>Tallahasseelassie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it not true that chemicals are absorbed through the skin?  Is it not true that it works both ways?  Were they not used in fighting chest colds or lung congestion - not just open wounds.  I&#039;m just asking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it not true that chemicals are absorbed through the skin?  Is it not true that it works both ways?  Were they not used in fighting chest colds or lung congestion &#8211; not just open wounds.  I&#8217;m just asking.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@52

Poultices are used to apply a medicine, heat, or cold to the body, or to absorb pus from an open wound.  Yes, they have been around for centuries, but they aren&#039;t used to miraculously draw out harmful chemicals, toxins, or whatnot though skin. If you can draw those out, you would almost invariably draw out just as many factors that are indeed beneficial to the human body. 

I find it particularly odd that you are comparing poultices to an item such as this, which in essence, serve opposite functions, but claim that it makes some sort of sense when you apparently don&#039;t fully understand it at all. 

In other news, some studies recently are beginning to disprove viability of these foot pads (in this case the Kinoki brand), this lab was done at Berkeley in the U.S. and the Kinoki pads were found to be Bamboo Vinegar, and no difference was found between used and unused pads.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93710963</description>
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<p>Poultices are used to apply a medicine, heat, or cold to the body, or to absorb pus from an open wound.  Yes, they have been around for centuries, but they aren&#8217;t used to miraculously draw out harmful chemicals, toxins, or whatnot though skin. If you can draw those out, you would almost invariably draw out just as many factors that are indeed beneficial to the human body. </p>
<p>I find it particularly odd that you are comparing poultices to an item such as this, which in essence, serve opposite functions, but claim that it makes some sort of sense when you apparently don&#8217;t fully understand it at all. </p>
<p>In other news, some studies recently are beginning to disprove viability of these foot pads (in this case the Kinoki brand), this lab was done at Berkeley in the U.S. and the Kinoki pads were found to be Bamboo Vinegar, and no difference was found between used and unused pads.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93710963" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93710963</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tallahasseelassie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tallahasseelassie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would assume that the &quot;kitty litter&quot; ingredient is an inert absorbent.  As I stated earlier, poultices have been around for centuries and are still being used.  This is along the same line of treatment: herbs and other natural ingredients (which the wood vinegar or whatever it&#039;s proper term is) are the active ingredients which draw out the poisons/toxins.  Doesn&#039;t this make sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would assume that the &#8220;kitty litter&#8221; ingredient is an inert absorbent.  As I stated earlier, poultices have been around for centuries and are still being used.  This is along the same line of treatment: herbs and other natural ingredients (which the wood vinegar or whatever it&#8217;s proper term is) are the active ingredients which draw out the poisons/toxins.  Doesn&#8217;t this make sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank the SciencePunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank the SciencePunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 50. 
I can&#039;t very well test every pad in existence, but if you find one that isn&#039;t full of kitty litter and powdered wood vinegar then be sure to tell me.  

Most doctors will endorse alternative medicines for terminally ill patients, even if those treatments have no proven benefit.  This is an important aspect of palliative care, which is far better for the patient than giving up on them altogether.

(See comment 9.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 50.<br />
I can&#8217;t very well test every pad in existence, but if you find one that isn&#8217;t full of kitty litter and powdered wood vinegar then be sure to tell me.  </p>
<p>Most doctors will endorse alternative medicines for terminally ill patients, even if those treatments have no proven benefit.  This is an important aspect of palliative care, which is far better for the patient than giving up on them altogether.</p>
<p>(See comment 9.)</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 04:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about this brand...but the one I started using doesn&#039;t even show nearly what it did the first few days I used them.   So, does science guy here think ALL pads are a scam or just these and if he does....can this 5 year old explain how there&#039;s not a lot on the pads when you&#039;re done?
Just curious because I just lost a friend to Breast cancer and she found out when it was already terminal but she started doing holistic treatments and we did the foot baths which had the same principals and it was through a clinic.
Just curious......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about this brand&#8230;but the one I started using doesn&#8217;t even show nearly what it did the first few days I used them.   So, does science guy here think ALL pads are a scam or just these and if he does&#8230;.can this 5 year old explain how there&#8217;s not a lot on the pads when you&#8217;re done?<br />
Just curious because I just lost a friend to Breast cancer and she found out when it was already terminal but she started doing holistic treatments and we did the foot baths which had the same principals and it was through a clinic.<br />
Just curious&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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