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	<title>Comments on: Six Sins of Greenwashing</title>
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	<description>Kicking ass in the name of science!</description>
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		<title>By: Frank the SciencePunk</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/2007/12/six-sins-of-greenwashing/#comment-4754</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank the SciencePunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neither is better.  There's no proof that I know of that shows organic food (whatever that means) is any better for you than regularly-produced crops.  

Think about this: a plant needs nitrogen, phosphorous and potassium to grow.  Whether these are supplied in manure or in pure NPK fertiliser has no effect on the quality of the chemicals - they are identical in both cases.

There are other arguments for organic, e.g. that organic crops return a much higher sale price per tonne than conventionally produced crops, which is good for farmers.  However, organic crops need around twice as much acreage per tonne of food produced, which means more land converted to agriculture - hardly "environmentally-friendly".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither is better.  There&#8217;s no proof that I know of that shows organic food (whatever that means) is any better for you than regularly-produced crops.  </p>
<p>Think about this: a plant needs nitrogen, phosphorous and potassium to grow.  Whether these are supplied in manure or in pure NPK fertiliser has no effect on the quality of the chemicals - they are identical in both cases.</p>
<p>There are other arguments for organic, e.g. that organic crops return a much higher sale price per tonne than conventionally produced crops, which is good for farmers.  However, organic crops need around twice as much acreage per tonne of food produced, which means more land converted to agriculture - hardly &#8220;environmentally-friendly&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/2007/12/six-sins-of-greenwashing/#comment-4751</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you don't mind debating here.

If price was not a factor and you had to choose between two apples, one being organic certified by the USDA and the other just natural which in your scientific would you pick as being more Healthy for the Human Body?

Forget the speaker example, its a bad example. I just chose it because I felt the need to illustrate my point, and there is one on my desk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you don&#8217;t mind debating here.</p>
<p>If price was not a factor and you had to choose between two apples, one being organic certified by the USDA and the other just natural which in your scientific would you pick as being more Healthy for the Human Body?</p>
<p>Forget the speaker example, its a bad example. I just chose it because I felt the need to illustrate my point, and there is one on my desk.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank the SciencePunk</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/2007/12/six-sins-of-greenwashing/#comment-4738</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank the SciencePunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with your example.  A "speaker", though it has multiple meanings, is clearly defined in all of these.  One might be "a person who speaks" and another "an electronic sound-emitting device".

Organic, on the other hand, has no concrete meaning within food production because it doesn't have a discrete definition.  Most people think it means food produced without fertilisers or pesticides, but neither is true.  The choice of which additives are "organic" and which are not is arbitrarily decided by the certification panel, so in effect any logo or stamp is meaningless. None can claim any superiority over the others, because all are based on a hazy, ill-defined notion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with your example.  A &#8220;speaker&#8221;, though it has multiple meanings, is clearly defined in all of these.  One might be &#8220;a person who speaks&#8221; and another &#8220;an electronic sound-emitting device&#8221;.</p>
<p>Organic, on the other hand, has no concrete meaning within food production because it doesn&#8217;t have a discrete definition.  Most people think it means food produced without fertilisers or pesticides, but neither is true.  The choice of which additives are &#8220;organic&#8221; and which are not is arbitrarily decided by the certification panel, so in effect any logo or stamp is meaningless. None can claim any superiority over the others, because all are based on a hazy, ill-defined notion.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/2007/12/six-sins-of-greenwashing/#comment-4712</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has been a while since I pointed out an error. The Term Organic could be arbitrary and has been misused. But there are many organizations who certify something being "organic." For Example, just go look at the certification process on these websites.:
http://www.ccof.org/
http://www.usda.gov/ 

I know that the certification term can be taken out of context but you are implying any certification that uses that word is null because the real meaning of the word does not coincide with societies foundations of the word. Like the word Speakers. Most of society now accepts it as a sound emitting device, but by definition it was originally somebody who speaks. All food is organic, but we have set up a new meaning and there is plenty of certification (and very strict) for this new meaning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been a while since I pointed out an error. The Term Organic could be arbitrary and has been misused. But there are many organizations who certify something being &#8220;organic.&#8221; For Example, just go look at the certification process on these websites.:<br />
<a href="http://www.ccof.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ccof.org/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.usda.gov/" rel="nofollow">http://www.usda.gov/</a> </p>
<p>I know that the certification term can be taken out of context but you are implying any certification that uses that word is null because the real meaning of the word does not coincide with societies foundations of the word. Like the word Speakers. Most of society now accepts it as a sound emitting device, but by definition it was originally somebody who speaks. All food is organic, but we have set up a new meaning and there is plenty of certification (and very strict) for this new meaning.</p>
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		<title>By: Mari</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/2007/12/six-sins-of-greenwashing/#comment-4556</link>
		<dc:creator>Mari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huge amount of documentation on EcoLogo's certification requirements in every product category at the EcoLogo site: http://www.ecologo.org/en/seeourcriteria/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huge amount of documentation on EcoLogo&#8217;s certification requirements in every product category at the EcoLogo site: <a href="http://www.ecologo.org/en/seeourcriteria/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ecologo.org/en/seeourcriteria/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They don't actually describe their own certification requirements do they? As a consumer, if I see an 'ecologo' what does it mean? Nothing specific, proved, shown, etc...

I'm intrigued also that they seem to think that "Company websites ... and toll-free phone numbers are easy and effective means of delivering proof."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They don&#8217;t actually describe their own certification requirements do they? As a consumer, if I see an &#8216;ecologo&#8217; what does it mean? Nothing specific, proved, shown, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m intrigued also that they seem to think that &#8220;Company websites &#8230; and toll-free phone numbers are easy and effective means of delivering proof.&#8221;</p>
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