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	<title>Comments on: Scientific Study on Detox Pads</title>
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	<description>Kicking ass in the name of science!</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/2008/03/scientific-study-on-detox-pads/#comment-20304</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 06:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/2008/03/scientific-study-on-detox-pads/#comment-20304</guid>
		<description>Also, it should be noted that on the BODYRELIEF amazon page, one of those comments said:

I have been using Kinoki Detox pads for 7 weeks and they are great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, it should be noted that on the BODYRELIEF amazon page, one of those comments said:</p>
<p>I have been using Kinoki Detox pads for 7 weeks and they are great.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/2008/03/scientific-study-on-detox-pads/#comment-20303</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 06:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/2008/03/scientific-study-on-detox-pads/#comment-20303</guid>
		<description>Just wanted to point out that for this other product thats probably the same thing, BodyRelief, the comments look like this:

Headaches. Back aches. Muscle aches. They come hand in hand with a 52 yr. old trying to keep up with his four grown children on the tennis courts and the ski slopes. Thanks to the Body Relief pads I feel 20 years younger. I've been using them for two years, placing them directly on the parts of my body that are hurting. They live up to their name!

All of the five star comments I've seen are like this.  I'm not one for conspiracy theory, but the fact that A) these 52 year-olds have no typos and B) Body Relief is always capitalized and written the same way as the trademark seems fishy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to point out that for this other product thats probably the same thing, BodyRelief, the comments look like this:</p>
<p>Headaches. Back aches. Muscle aches. They come hand in hand with a 52 yr. old trying to keep up with his four grown children on the tennis courts and the ski slopes. Thanks to the Body Relief pads I feel 20 years younger. I&#8217;ve been using them for two years, placing them directly on the parts of my body that are hurting. They live up to their name!</p>
<p>All of the five star comments I&#8217;ve seen are like this.  I&#8217;m not one for conspiracy theory, but the fact that A) these 52 year-olds have no typos and B) Body Relief is always capitalized and written the same way as the trademark seems fishy.</p>
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		<title>By: Dena</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/2008/03/scientific-study-on-detox-pads/#comment-18455</link>
		<dc:creator>Dena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/2008/03/scientific-study-on-detox-pads/#comment-18455</guid>
		<description>I have just starte using the Kinoki foot pads.  After the fourth night I have noticed that I do feel better and do not take as long in the morning to become alert.  I do not know if it is all in my mind or not.  I plan to try them for a few months to see what happens.  After reading alot of comments about them I am puzzle by one thing.  Everyone keeps talking about this brown color that is supposed to be the toxins and if you pour water on them they will turn brown  This is supposed to be proof that they are a hoax because when you feet get wet with sweat, the pad will turn brown.  Well, so far, I have not had any brown.  When I remove the pads from my feet in the morning, the color is a dark grey.  This morning the grey actually had a little green tint to it.  If they are made with ingredients that will turn brown to fool you, why are mine a different color and why would this mornings color be a little different from the other 3 mornings?  I plan to take note of the color each day.  Also, If they are designed to turn brown when wet, then the color should never lighten and go away like they say.  I will watch for that as well.  Also, just because wetting the pad turns it brown doesn't really mean much to me. I would almost expect a color to come from the wet ingredients, unless the ingredients themselves were colorless.  The fact that people wetting them and have them turn brown almost makes me lean more toward thinking the pads do work since the color coming from me is no where close to brown.  I guess time will tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just starte using the Kinoki foot pads.  After the fourth night I have noticed that I do feel better and do not take as long in the morning to become alert.  I do not know if it is all in my mind or not.  I plan to try them for a few months to see what happens.  After reading alot of comments about them I am puzzle by one thing.  Everyone keeps talking about this brown color that is supposed to be the toxins and if you pour water on them they will turn brown  This is supposed to be proof that they are a hoax because when you feet get wet with sweat, the pad will turn brown.  Well, so far, I have not had any brown.  When I remove the pads from my feet in the morning, the color is a dark grey.  This morning the grey actually had a little green tint to it.  If they are made with ingredients that will turn brown to fool you, why are mine a different color and why would this mornings color be a little different from the other 3 mornings?  I plan to take note of the color each day.  Also, If they are designed to turn brown when wet, then the color should never lighten and go away like they say.  I will watch for that as well.  Also, just because wetting the pad turns it brown doesn&#8217;t really mean much to me. I would almost expect a color to come from the wet ingredients, unless the ingredients themselves were colorless.  The fact that people wetting them and have them turn brown almost makes me lean more toward thinking the pads do work since the color coming from me is no where close to brown.  I guess time will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank the SciencePunk</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/2008/03/scientific-study-on-detox-pads/#comment-18420</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank the SciencePunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/2008/03/scientific-study-on-detox-pads/#comment-18420</guid>
		<description>@ 25. Jekel

While you're right in pointing out that many pharmaceutical drugs contain chemicals isolated from plants, that does not make them interchangeable.  In order to make a useful drug, the salicylic acid in willow bark had to be isolated from the thousands of other compounds present, hundreds of which are likely to have an active effect (many of which could be bad for the patient).  The compound then had to be purified and any varieties identified.  The 'shelf life' of the drug had to be determined, as well the best method of delivering it, and the correct dose, and a reliable manufacturing process so that this dose was always as stated on the box.  

So the difference between 'natural' remedy and 'synthetic' drug is really this: one is a cocktail of chemicals with no guarantee of efficacy, strength, or safety; and the other is a pharmaceutical drug.  

Pharma companies and the 'alt med' groups are exactly alike in that both are trying to make as much money as possible - but only one is properly regulated and has medicines that are proven effective.  Take your pick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 25. Jekel</p>
<p>While you&#8217;re right in pointing out that many pharmaceutical drugs contain chemicals isolated from plants, that does not make them interchangeable.  In order to make a useful drug, the salicylic acid in willow bark had to be isolated from the thousands of other compounds present, hundreds of which are likely to have an active effect (many of which could be bad for the patient).  The compound then had to be purified and any varieties identified.  The &#8217;shelf life&#8217; of the drug had to be determined, as well the best method of delivering it, and the correct dose, and a reliable manufacturing process so that this dose was always as stated on the box.  </p>
<p>So the difference between &#8216;natural&#8217; remedy and &#8217;synthetic&#8217; drug is really this: one is a cocktail of chemicals with no guarantee of efficacy, strength, or safety; and the other is a pharmaceutical drug.  </p>
<p>Pharma companies and the &#8216;alt med&#8217; groups are exactly alike in that both are trying to make as much money as possible - but only one is properly regulated and has medicines that are proven effective.  Take your pick.</p>
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		<title>By: Jekel</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/2008/03/scientific-study-on-detox-pads/#comment-18411</link>
		<dc:creator>Jekel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 06:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/2008/03/scientific-study-on-detox-pads/#comment-18411</guid>
		<description>Designinone, it sounds like you will be one of the people who get really sick and then when all your western medical avenues have been exhausted - fancy some surgery, or a packet of pills there? - you will turn to natural medicine.  What do you think penicillin is? Its a mould.  What do you think is in your drugs? Articifical plant extracts. What do you think asprin is?  Aspirin is a salycilyte, and salicylites are found in the bark of trees as a natural pesticide.  

I am training to be a naturopath, and am a self taught reflexologist - I stumbled across reflexology and the results were so immediate and amazing that I have been fascinated ever since, and regularly prove it on many people - whether they believe it or not, it still works.  Reflexology has not been "debunked" - it is difficult to prove or understand how it works, but it certainly works.  Are you looking at "science" from 20 years ago?  Or are you looking at quackwatch... Very convincing but there is always more to it than what is presented.  

Everything that has ever happened in medicine has happened naturally until huge pharmcos decided to make some money - and guess who is still making money?  But making many people's lives more miserable by not offering them a proper solution to their problem.  A headache is not caused by a lack of pain killers - and it should not be treated with pain killers. 

As for the foot pads, I agree with sunmonk on the poultice bit (and the rest incidentally), it is very common.  Just a mention on the heavy metals, Darrel will probably vouch for the fact that heavy metals such as lead can be absorbed through the skin - it is one of the ways painters and people who work with lead get lead poisoning. Would you crack open a mercury thermometer and wipe it all over your hands?  Hardly.  The skin may not be the primary organ of elimination for heavy metals, however it is unreasonable to assume that it is impossible for heavy metals to be excreted via the skin.  

I would also love to see some proper studies done on the foot pads, it is very interesting.

Anyway, great thread guys and gals!
Enjoy your foot pads...or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Designinone, it sounds like you will be one of the people who get really sick and then when all your western medical avenues have been exhausted - fancy some surgery, or a packet of pills there? - you will turn to natural medicine.  What do you think penicillin is? Its a mould.  What do you think is in your drugs? Articifical plant extracts. What do you think asprin is?  Aspirin is a salycilyte, and salicylites are found in the bark of trees as a natural pesticide.  </p>
<p>I am training to be a naturopath, and am a self taught reflexologist - I stumbled across reflexology and the results were so immediate and amazing that I have been fascinated ever since, and regularly prove it on many people - whether they believe it or not, it still works.  Reflexology has not been &#8220;debunked&#8221; - it is difficult to prove or understand how it works, but it certainly works.  Are you looking at &#8220;science&#8221; from 20 years ago?  Or are you looking at quackwatch&#8230; Very convincing but there is always more to it than what is presented.  </p>
<p>Everything that has ever happened in medicine has happened naturally until huge pharmcos decided to make some money - and guess who is still making money?  But making many people&#8217;s lives more miserable by not offering them a proper solution to their problem.  A headache is not caused by a lack of pain killers - and it should not be treated with pain killers. </p>
<p>As for the foot pads, I agree with sunmonk on the poultice bit (and the rest incidentally), it is very common.  Just a mention on the heavy metals, Darrel will probably vouch for the fact that heavy metals such as lead can be absorbed through the skin - it is one of the ways painters and people who work with lead get lead poisoning. Would you crack open a mercury thermometer and wipe it all over your hands?  Hardly.  The skin may not be the primary organ of elimination for heavy metals, however it is unreasonable to assume that it is impossible for heavy metals to be excreted via the skin.  </p>
<p>I would also love to see some proper studies done on the foot pads, it is very interesting.</p>
<p>Anyway, great thread guys and gals!<br />
Enjoy your foot pads&#8230;or not.</p>
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		<title>By: ScreamingFalcon</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/2008/03/scientific-study-on-detox-pads/#comment-16643</link>
		<dc:creator>ScreamingFalcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 02:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/2008/03/scientific-study-on-detox-pads/#comment-16643</guid>
		<description>As a student of Eastern Culture myself, I've found an interesting proverb that fits the bill here: If you give a sick man tea and tell him it will make him get better, he will get better. This simple proverb refers to what we in the West like to call "Placebos." Doctors actually used to use sugar pills to treat a great deal of things by convincing their patients that they were taking a medicine. From everything I've seen from my research on these "Detoxification Pads"  they seem to me to be nothing but litter boxes for your feet. Also, as far as my research also tells me, sweating does NOT take toxins out of your system, your liver and urine do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a student of Eastern Culture myself, I&#8217;ve found an interesting proverb that fits the bill here: If you give a sick man tea and tell him it will make him get better, he will get better. This simple proverb refers to what we in the West like to call &#8220;Placebos.&#8221; Doctors actually used to use sugar pills to treat a great deal of things by convincing their patients that they were taking a medicine. From everything I&#8217;ve seen from my research on these &#8220;Detoxification Pads&#8221;  they seem to me to be nothing but litter boxes for your feet. Also, as far as my research also tells me, sweating does NOT take toxins out of your system, your liver and urine do.</p>
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		<title>By: Lois Gharst</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/2008/03/scientific-study-on-detox-pads/#comment-16283</link>
		<dc:creator>Lois Gharst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 21:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/2008/03/scientific-study-on-detox-pads/#comment-16283</guid>
		<description>I am 75 yrs old.  I have used the kinoki foot pads as directed for two months.  I also am a firm believer in alternative medicine.  Whether the pads are a hoax or serve a definate medical purpose, I am not qualified to comment.  I can only say that I am back doing physical activities that I have not been able to do for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am 75 yrs old.  I have used the kinoki foot pads as directed for two months.  I also am a firm believer in alternative medicine.  Whether the pads are a hoax or serve a definate medical purpose, I am not qualified to comment.  I can only say that I am back doing physical activities that I have not been able to do for years.</p>
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		<title>By: wayne</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/2008/03/scientific-study-on-detox-pads/#comment-16127</link>
		<dc:creator>wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 17:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/2008/03/scientific-study-on-detox-pads/#comment-16127</guid>
		<description>Detoxing is simply the only way to maximise our health as well as to lose weight we need to clean our bodies minds and spirits in order to experience real health and vitality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Detoxing is simply the only way to maximise our health as well as to lose weight we need to clean our bodies minds and spirits in order to experience real health and vitality.</p>
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		<title>By: Designengineer</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/2008/03/scientific-study-on-detox-pads/#comment-15506</link>
		<dc:creator>Designengineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 10:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/2008/03/scientific-study-on-detox-pads/#comment-15506</guid>
		<description>Sun Monk has it in one - I don't believe in the "science" of reflexology for the simple fact that it doesn't exist. Reflexology is simply a long-discredited hypothesis that has turned out to be wrong, just like all the nonsense about electromagnetic fields traversing meridians etc. It's very strange to see his claim that the western health industry is one of the worst in the world - the recent drastic increase in the world's population has almost entirely been caused by the spread of western medicine into regions that previously relied on "ancient wisdom", but also relied on unrestricted birthrates to just about balance the appalling infant deathrates and short life expectancy. When nobody knew any better these various hypotheses about how the body worked were as good as any other, but nowadays properly constructed research has shown how the body actually does work. And this isn't even just western research - India, Japan and China are right up at the front in leading biological research.  
This nonsene about detoxing is another hypothesis which has been proved completely fictitious in almost all aspects, and it's almost entirely created and driven by mostly eastern-based suplliers of "herbs" and other "exotic" subtances for profit taking advantage of mostly pretty fit hypochondriacs in the western world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sun Monk has it in one - I don&#8217;t believe in the &#8220;science&#8221; of reflexology for the simple fact that it doesn&#8217;t exist. Reflexology is simply a long-discredited hypothesis that has turned out to be wrong, just like all the nonsense about electromagnetic fields traversing meridians etc. It&#8217;s very strange to see his claim that the western health industry is one of the worst in the world - the recent drastic increase in the world&#8217;s population has almost entirely been caused by the spread of western medicine into regions that previously relied on &#8220;ancient wisdom&#8221;, but also relied on unrestricted birthrates to just about balance the appalling infant deathrates and short life expectancy. When nobody knew any better these various hypotheses about how the body worked were as good as any other, but nowadays properly constructed research has shown how the body actually does work. And this isn&#8217;t even just western research - India, Japan and China are right up at the front in leading biological research.<br />
This nonsene about detoxing is another hypothesis which has been proved completely fictitious in almost all aspects, and it&#8217;s almost entirely created and driven by mostly eastern-based suplliers of &#8220;herbs&#8221; and other &#8220;exotic&#8221; subtances for profit taking advantage of mostly pretty fit hypochondriacs in the western world.</p>
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		<title>By: emp</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/2008/03/scientific-study-on-detox-pads/#comment-15410</link>
		<dc:creator>emp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/2008/03/scientific-study-on-detox-pads/#comment-15410</guid>
		<description>well said, but what does that have to do with the foot pads?  im not arguing that our bodies dont expel toxins from our skin, just that these foot pads do not help contribute to the body's method of expelling toxins this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well said, but what does that have to do with the foot pads?  im not arguing that our bodies dont expel toxins from our skin, just that these foot pads do not help contribute to the body&#8217;s method of expelling toxins this way.</p>
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